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Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

Post by NJTFAN1235! »

So the TRAXX can run the HSL, so what about the BD control car? Can it run on a HSL as well without a locomotive?
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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Nope it can only drive with the TRAXX because and in rl the BD Control car isn't enabled anymore because it needs a 1700 to be able to drive
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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The BD control car is designed to be used with the NS1700 locomotive, and is only equipped with ATB train protection. It has no ETCS, so it cannot run on the front of the train on the HSL.

However... When the Traxx locomotives were introduced, there has been an attempt to convert them to work with the Traxx locomotives, including building in the ETCS system. This would make them usable for push/pull operation on the HSL. They never finished it, as the project proved to be too expensive. In the end, it was more cost effective to run the trains with a TRAXX locomotive on both ends. So the driver cabin on the BD carriages is not used anymore (as they only run with TRAXX locomotives now; the NS1700's are out of service).

In the simulator... There is a BD which has the TRAXX controls instead of the NS1700 controls... I have put that in as an easteregg... You can't get to it in explore mode, but I have put it in an activity which came with the TRAXX addon (running in one of the TRAXX+ICR+TRAXX consists), so you can find the XML-code there to use it in your activity. ;)
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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What does BD mean in this case?
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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To be strictly correct... It is actually "BDs".

The letters say something about what's on board:
A - There is a 1st class passenger compartment
B - There is a 2nd class passenger compartment
C - There is a 3rd class passenger compartment (not in use anymore since 1956)
D - There is a bagage area / service area

s - stuurstandrijtuig (control car)

So a BDs is a control car with a 2nd class compartment and a bagage area (in this case the area directly behind the drivers cab).
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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Okay, moving on from that, so I was gonna ask a few more things that are not seen by anyone else:

How many mins does it take from Zeeburg to Ypenburg and back and from Noordvliet to Rijndam Airport?

I want to combine these two services into one service and build a timetable. But I have aa feeling I may miscalculate.

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  <route code="SPR-CX" end="Z1A,Z1B,Z3,Z4,Z5" totaltime="1240" reversetime="60" scrollsign="zb">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="S2" marker="S2-1"/>
    <marker block="S3" marker="S3-1"/>
    <marker block="S4" marker="S4-1"/>
    <marker block="S5" marker="S5-1"/>
    <marker block="S6" marker="S6-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RDC3"  time="   0" destinationcode="113"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6"/>  
    <stop   platform="RMW3"  time=" 190" destinationcode="114"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/> 
    <stop   platform="VDK2"  time=" 460" destinationcode="115"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <stop   platform="HML2"  time=" 730" destinationcode="116"  station="hml"        actions="stop"         stops="HML1,HML2"/>
    <stop   platform="GB2"   time="1030" destinationcode="117"  station="gb"         actions="stop"         stops="GB1,GB2"/>
    <arrive platform="ZB5"   time="1240" destinationcode="  1"  station="zb"         actions="stop,finish"  stops="ZB1a,ZB1b,ZB3,ZB4,ZB5" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

  <route code="SPR-XC" end="S2,S3,S4,S5,S6" totaltime="1230" reversetime="60" scrollsign="rdc">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="Z1A" marker="Z1a-2"/>
    <marker block="Z1B" marker="Z1b-2"/>
    <marker block="Z3" marker="Z3-2"/>
    <marker block="Z4" marker="Z4-2"/>
    <marker block="Z5" marker="Z5-2"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="ZB5"   time="   0" destinationcode="89"  station="zb"         actions="stop"         stops="ZB1a,ZB1b,ZB3,ZB4,ZB5"/>
    <stop   platform="GB1"   time=" 210" destinationcode="90"  station="gb"         actions="stop"         stops="GB1,GB2"/>
    <stop   platform="HML1"  time=" 510" destinationcode="91"  station="hml"        actions="stop"         stops="HML1,HML2"/>
    <stop   platform="VDK1"  time=" 780" destinationcode=" 7"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <stop   platform="RMW2"  time="1050" destinationcode="66"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/> 
    <arrive platform="RDC3"  time="1230" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rdc"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6" scrollsign="#"/>  
   </times>
  </route>

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  <route code="SPR-YM" end="M01,M02,M03" totaltime="750" reversetime="60" scrollsign="rmw">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="YP1" marker="YP1-1"/>
    <marker block="YP2" marker="YP2-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="YP2"   time="   0" destinationcode="49"  station="yp"         actions="stop"         stops="YP1,YP2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDZ1"  time=" 180" destinationcode="56"  station="rdz"        actions="stop"         stops="RDZ1,RDZ2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDL2"  time=" 350" destinationcode="50"  station="rdl"        actions="stop"         stops="RDL1,RDL2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDC6"  time=" 450" destinationcode=" 5"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6"/>
    <arrive platform="RMW1"  time=" 750" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rmw"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RMW1" scrollsign="#"/>  
   </times>
  </route>

  <route code="SPR-MY" end="YP1,YP2" totaltime="750" reversetime="60" scrollsign="spr-yp">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="M01" marker="M01-1"/>
    <marker block="M02" marker="M02-1"/>
    <marker block="M03" marker="M03-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RMW1"  time="   0" destinationcode="60"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2"/> 
    <stop   platform="RDC3"  time=" 300" destinationcode="61"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5"/>  
    <stop   platform="RDL1"  time=" 490" destinationcode="71"  station="rdl"        actions="stop"         stops="RDL1,RDL2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDZ2"  time=" 590" destinationcode="64"  station="rdz"        actions="stop"         stops="RDZ1,RDZ2"/>
    <arrive platform="YP2"   time=" 750" destinationcode=" 1"  station="yp"         actions="stop,finish"  stops="YP1,YP2" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>
For the Rijndam Airport and Noordvliet Services:

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 <route code="SPR-VM" end="M01,M02,M03" totaltime="1470" reversetime="60" scrollsign="rmw">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="CX" marker="CX-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="NVT4"  time="   0" destinationcode="51"  station="nvt"        actions="stop"         stops="NVT1,NVT4"/>
    <stop   platform="RJP1"  time=" 240" destinationcode="29"  station="rjp"        actions="stop"         stops="RJP1,RJP2"/>
    <stop   platform="CGL1"  time=" 420" destinationcode="29"  station="cgl"        actions="stop"         stops="CGL1"/>
    <stop   platform="RBV1"  time=" 590" destinationcode="52"  station="rbv"        actions="stop"         stops="RBV1"/>
    <stop   platform="RWP1"  time=" 760" destinationcode="53"  station="rwp"        actions="stop"         stops="RWP1,RWP2"/>
    <stop   platform="RBK1"  time=" 930" destinationcode="50"  station="rbk"        actions="stop"         stops="RBK1,RBK2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDC3"  time="1170" destinationcode=" 5"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5"/>
    <arrive platform="RMW1"  time="1470" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rmw"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RMW1" scrollsign="#"/>  
   </times>
  </route>

  <route code="SPR-MV" end="CX" totaltime="1440" reversetime="60" scrollsign="nvt">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="M01" marker="M01-1"/>
    <marker block="M02" marker="M02-1"/>
    <marker block="M03" marker="M03-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RMW1"  time="   0" destinationcode="31"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2"/>  
    <stop   platform="RDC1"  time=" 300" destinationcode="32"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC1,RDC2,RDC3"/>
    <stop   platform="RBK2"  time=" 540" destinationcode="33"  station="rbk"        actions="stop"         stops="RBK1,RBK2"/>
    <stop   platform="RWP2"  time=" 720" destinationcode="34"  station="rwp"        actions="stop"         stops="RWP1,RWP2"/>
    <stop   platform="RBV1"  time=" 870" destinationcode="55"  station="rbv"        actions="stop"         stops="RBV1"/>
    <stop   platform="CGL1"  time="1050" destinationcode="15"  station="cgl"        actions="stop"         stops="CGL1"/>
    <stop   platform="RJP2"  time="1230" destinationcode="15"  station="rjp"        actions="stop"         stops="RJP1,RJP2"/>
    <arrive platform="NVT4"  time="1440" destinationcode=" 1"  station="nvt"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="NVT1,NVT4" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

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  <route code="SPR-CA" end="R1,R2" totaltime="560" reversetime="60" scrollsign="spr-rda">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="S4" marker="S4-1"/>
    <marker block="S5" marker="S5-1"/>
    <marker block="S6" marker="S6-1"/>
    <marker block="S2" marker="S2-1"/>
    <marker block="S3" marker="S3-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RDC4"  time="   0" destinationcode="12"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6"/>
    <stop   platform="RMW3"  time=" 260" destinationcode="16"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/>
    <arrive platform="RAP1"  time=" 560" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rap"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RAP1,RAP2" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

  <route code="SPR-AC" end="S2,S3,S4,S5" totaltime="560" reversetime="60" scrollsign="spr-rdc">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="R1" marker="R1-1"/>
    <marker block="R2" marker="R2-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RAP1"  time="   0" destinationcode=" 7"  station="rap"        actions="stop"         stops="RAP1,RAP2"/>
    <stop   platform="RMW2"  time=" 330" destinationcode="66"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/>
    <arrive platform="RDC4"  time=" 560" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rdc"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

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  <route code="IC-SW" end="Q1,Q2,Q3" totaltime="1080" reversetime="60" scrollsign="haz">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="BQ" marker="BQ-1"/>
    <marker block="AQ" marker="AQ-1"/>
    <marker block="DQ" marker="DQ-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="RWP3"  time="   0" destinationcode="104"  station="rwp"        actions="stop"         stops="RWP1,RWP2,RWP3"/>
    <pass   platform="RBK1"  time=" 130" destinationcode="  0"  station="rbk"        actions="pass"         stops="RBK1,RBK2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDC5"  time=" 290" destinationcode="105"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5"/>
    <pass   platform="RMW1"  time=" 390" destinationcode="  0"  station="rmw"        actions="pass"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/> 
    <stop   platform="VDK2"  time=" 630" destinationcode="105"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <pass   platform="HML2"  time=" 730" destinationcode="  0"  station="hml"        actions="pass"         stops="HML1,HML2"/> 
    <arrive platform="HAZ2"  time="1080" destinationcode="  1"  station="haz"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="HAZ1,HAZ2,HAZ3" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

  <route code="IC-WS" end="AQ,BQ,DQ" totaltime="1080" reversetime="60" scrollsign="rwp">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="Q1" marker="Q1-1"/>
    <marker block="Q2" marker="Q2-1"/>
    <marker block="Q3" marker="Q3-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="HAZ2"  time="   0" destinationcode="106"  station="haz"        actions="stop"         stops="HAZ1,HAZ2,HAZ3"/>
    <pass   platform="HML1"  time=" 220" destinationcode="  0"  station="hml"        actions="pass"         stops="HML1,HML2"/> 
    <stop   platform="VDK1"  time=" 450" destinationcode=" 37"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <pass   platform="RMW2"  time=" 650" destinationcode="  0"  station="rmw"        actions="pass"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/> 
    <stop   platform="RDC1"  time=" 790" destinationcode=" 92"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5"/>
    <pass   platform="RBK2"  time=" 900" destinationcode="  0"  station="rbk"        actions="pass"         stops="RBK1,RBK2"/>
    <arrive platform="RWP3"  time="1080" destinationcode="  1"  station="rwp"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RWP1,RWP2,RWP3" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>
Also, what's this service doing here? Isn't this the one that you intended to put into the timetable? If so, do you have any timetable remains of this service right here?
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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NJTFAN1235! wrote: 03 Apr 2024, 20:44 How many mins does it take from Zeeburg to Ypenburg and back and from Noordvliet to Rijndam Airport?
The times are in the code... Just do the math to create your own variations.
NJTFAN1235! wrote: 03 Apr 2024, 20:44 Also, what's this service doing here? Isn't this the one that you intended to put into the timetable? If so, do you have any timetable remains of this service right here?
I just made a few routes not knowing for sure which I would use in activities...
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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Also, In the IC-SW & IC-WS, why would the train skip Rijndam Blaak, there's the tram routes T2 & T3 and the Rijndam Line 6, if they got on this train, how could they get back to Rijndam Blaak?

Few possible alternatives:

Take Rijndam Rail to Blaak.
Take M1 to Stadhuis, change for M6 to Blaak.
Take T1 to Station Buitenvelden, change for T2, or T3.
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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 <route code="SPR-XC" end="S2,S3,S4,S5,S6" totaltime="1750" reversetime="20" scrollsign="spr-yp">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="Z1A" marker="Z1a-2"/>
    <marker block="Z1B" marker="Z1b-2"/>
    <marker block="Z3" marker="Z3-2"/>
    <marker block="Z4" marker="Z4-2"/>
    <marker block="Z5" marker="Z5-2"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="ZB5"   time="   0" destinationcode="89"  station="zb"         actions="stop"         stops="ZB1a,ZB1b,ZB3,ZB4,ZB5"/>
    <stop   platform="GB1"   time=" 210" destinationcode="90"  station="gb"         actions="stop"         stops="GB1,GB2"/>
    <stop   platform="HML1"  time=" 510" destinationcode="91"  station="hml"        actions="stop"         stops="HML1,HML2"/>
    <stop   platform="VDK1"  time=" 780" destinationcode=" 7"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <stop   platform="RMW2"  time="1050" destinationcode="66"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"         stops="RMW1,RMW2,RMW3"/> 
    <stop platform="RDC3"  time="1230" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rdc"        actions="stop,finish"  stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6"/>  
    <stop   platform="RDL1"  time="1490" destinationcode="71"  station="rdl"        actions="stop"         stops="RDL1,RDL2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDZ2"  time="1590" destinationcode="64"  station="rdz"        actions="stop"         stops="RDZ1,RDZ2"/>
    <arrive platform="YP2"   time="1750" destinationcode=" 1"  station="yp"         actions="stop,finish"  stops="YP1,YP2" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>

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 <route code="SPR-YX" end="Z1A,Z1B,Z3,Z4,Z5" totaltime="1240" reversetime="60" scrollsign="spr-zb">
   <aimarkers>
    <marker block="YP1" marker="YP1-1"/>
    <marker block="YP2" marker="YP2-1"/>
   </aimarkers>
   <times>
    <depart platform="YP2"   time="   0" destinationcode="49"  station="yp"         actions="stop"         stops="YP1,YP2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDZ1"  time=" 180" destinationcode="56"  station="rdz"        actions="stop"         stops="RDZ1,RDZ2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDL2"  time=" 350" destinationcode="50"  station="rdl"        actions="stop"         stops="RDL1,RDL2"/>
    <stop   platform="RDC6"  time=" 450" destinationcode=" 5"  station="rdc"        actions="stop"         stops="RDC2,RDC3,RDC4,RDC5,RDC6"/>
    <stop   platform="RMW3"  time=" 750" destinationcode=" 1"  station="rmw"        actions="stop"  stops="RMW3"/>  
    <stop   platform="VDK2"  time="1060" destinationcode="115"  station="vdk"        actions="stop"         stops="VDK1,VDK2"/>
    <stop   platform="HML2"  time="1230" destinationcode="116"  station="hml"        actions="stop"         stops="HML1,HML2"/>
    <stop   platform="GB2"   time="1330" destinationcode="117"  station="gb"         actions="stop"         stops="GB1,GB2"/>
    <arrive platform="ZB5"   time="1440" destinationcode="  1"  station="zb"         actions="stop,finish"  stops="ZB1a,ZB1b,ZB3,ZB4,ZB5" scrollsign="#"/>
   </times>
  </route>
Okay. here's my coding input for the service.
Screenshot 2024-04-03 9.29.16 PM.png
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Also, what's the wording underneath?
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Re: Question and the BD car and involving the HSL

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NJTFAN1235! wrote: 03 Apr 2024, 22:28 Also, In the IC-SW & IC-WS, why would the train skip Rijndam Blaak, there's trams and the Rijndam Line 6, if they got on this train, how could they get back to Rijndam Blaak?
It is not designated as an intercity stop. You can't have Intercity trains stop at every station....
So transfer to a local train ("Sprinter") or use the city's metro's / trams.
NJTFAN1235! wrote: 04 Apr 2024, 01:19 Also, what's the wording underneath?
"Stopt verder op alle stations": After these, this train will stop at all intermediate stations (until it reaches the final destination).
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