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Re: NS DDM1

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Sjoerd wrote: 20 Nov 2023, 22:56 I am thinking of creating a full trainset of the DD-AR version to make it easier to place a full train in the simulation for most users. You will however also get the carriages seperate, so you can make your own consists if you want.
I have prepared two full DDM1 trainsets (4-car + NS1700 and 6-car + NS1700) and two full DD-AR trainsets; one with a NS 1700 locomotive, and one with a mDDM motorcar. Here are the DD-AR trainsets on a coupled testrun:

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This test told me that if you want to run with coupled DD-AR trains to Rijndam Airport, you should choose trainsets with the 1700-locomotive. These are slightly shorter, and two of them should just fit the platform (the consist on the screenshot was just a bit too long).
Also, on the testrun to Rijndam Westplein; RIjndam Molenwijk and Rijndam Blaak are too short for this consist. So for a stopping service on these stations, use a single trainset, or create your own consist with the separate carriages with a maximum total length of 6 carriages (note; 6 carriages + NS1700 is already too much).

The differences you can see in the simulator between the DDM1 and the DD-AR:
  • The DDM1 has red seats (both 2nd and 1st class), the DD-AR has green seats (2nd class) and blue seats (1st class).
  • The DDM1 has no destination displays, the DD-AR has them.
  • The DDM1 works with screw couplers, the DD-AR has (on the train ends) BSI couplers, as the DD-AR was often coupled to another DD-AR.
  • The DDM1 has a pantograph on the drivercar to keep train systems working when there is no locomotive coupled. The DD-AR drivercar doesn't.

I am including this in the RijndamRail package, as almost all my other Dutch Railways (NS) trains are also in there. When released (soon), this package will include the following new items:

DD-AR trainsets (easier to place into the simulator as you do not have to assemble them yourself, but carriages cannot be uncoupled from each other):
  • DDAR 1700 trainset (NS_DDAR_1.xml)
  • DDAR mDDM trainset (NS_DDAR_2.xml)
DD-AR separate carriages (to be used with a motorcar or NS 1700 locomotive at the end):
  • DDAR Frontcar 2nd class (NS_DDAR_Bvk.xml)
  • DDAR 1st/2nd class (NS_DDAR_ABv.xml)
  • DDAR 2nd class (NS_DDAR_Bv.xml)
  • DDAR motorcar (NS_DDAR_mABk.xml) (also known as mDDM)
  • NS 1700 (NS1700.xml)
DDM1 trainsets:
  • DDM 4-car (+NS1700) trainset (NS_DDM_4.xml)
  • DDM 6-car (+NS1700) trainset (NS_DDM_6.xml)
DDM1 separate carriages (to be used with the NS 1700 locomotive at the end):
  • DDM Frontcar 2nd class (NS_DDM_Bvk.xml)
  • DDM 1st/2nd class (NS_DDM_ABv.xml)
  • DDM 2nd class (NS_DDM_Bv.xml)
  • NS 1700 (NS1700.xml)
SLT:
  • NS SLT 4 (NS_SLT_4.xml, with DMI, so suitable for ATB & ERTMS)
  • NS SLT 4 ATB (NS_SLT_4_ATB.xml, only ATB)
  • NS SLT 6 (NS_SLT_6.xml, with DMI, so suitable for ATB & ERTMS)
  • NS SLT 6 ATB (NS_SLT_6_ATB.xml, only ATB)
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Re: NS DDM1

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Sjoerd wrote: 22 Nov 2023, 17:56This test told me that if you want to run with coupled DD-AR trains to Rijndam Airport, you should choose trainsets with the 1700-locomotive. These are slightly shorter, and two of them should just fit the platform (the consist on the screenshot was just a bit too long).
Actually the main formation was loco + 4 cars. From what I understand the 3-car version only ran in the early days before mDDM was delivered and in the final days when they reactivated the remaining cars that were left after the DDZ project due to a shortage of rolling stock.
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Re: NS DDM1

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If I remember correctly some DDM1 coaches ran with ICR coaches back in the early days.
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Re: NS DDM1

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Michiel wrote: 22 Nov 2023, 18:06 Actually the main formation was loco + 4 cars. From what I understand the 3-car version only ran in the early days before mDDM was delivered and in the final days when they reactivated the remaining cars that were left after the DDZ project due to a shortage of rolling stock.
I just think the loco + 3 cars configurations is better for the railways we have in the simulator now; we have several stations where 2 coupled DD-AR of the shorter formation will just fit, but 2 coupled trains with an extra carriage each won't fit.
It just tested at Hageningen Poort; two 4 part (motorcar with 3 carriages) DD-AR trains fit, but add two extra carriages and it doesn't fit anymore. So lucky they did also run in the trainlength used here. :D

And the trains are also included as separate carriages; you can always put together a longer trainset yourself, both in explore mode and in activities. ;)
RotterdamMetroLover wrote: 22 Nov 2023, 18:17 If I remember correctly some DDM1 coaches ran with ICR coaches back in the early days.
Yes... Also possible in the simulator as all carriages are available separately.
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Re: NS DDM1

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Simvliet - Essim - Hageningen has 250 meter platforms, 1700+ABv+Bv+Bv+Bvk + Bvk+Bv+Bv+ABv+1700 is 247 meters so that should fit, assuming the model is the correct size of course. But you can always combine the two and have 1700+ABv+Bv+Bv+Bvk + Bvk+Bv+ABv+mABk which should be 224 meter long.
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Re: NS DDM1

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ABv and Bv are 26,4 m, Bvk is 26,89m and mABk is 21,4 m in length on the DDAR.
Every DDM1 coach is 27,8 m in length.
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Re: NS DDM1

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According to the overview from ProRail, DDM1 is 26,4 as well (with the driving car being 26,9).
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Re: NS DDM1

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Okay, as you whish ;) I have extended the DDAR 1700 trainset (NS_DDAR_1.xml) with one extra carriage, so the composition is now Bvk+Bv+Bv+ABv+1700. Length of that in the simulator is 129,805 meters, so that's 259,61 for a set of two of these.

In the sim, these are the individual carriage model lengths (buffer-to-buffer):
Bvk: 28,14 m
ABv / Bv: 27,985 m
mABk: 22,924 m
1700: 17,71 m
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Re: NS DDM1

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We could always have both, like NS_DDAR_7300.xml, NS_DDAR_7400.xml and NS_DDAR_7800.xml (7300, 7400 and 7800 were the numbers used for these different compositions, 7300/7400 being the ones with the 1700 and 7800 with the mDDM).
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Re: NS DDM1

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Agreed; ;)

NS_DDAR_7300.xml -> Bvk+Bv+ABv+1700 (101,82m)
NS_DDAR_7400.xml -> Bvk+Bv+Bv+ABv+1700 (129,805m)
NS_DDAR_7800.xml -> Bvk+ABv+Bv+mABk (107,034m)
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