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Re: Rijndam

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Sorry for not screenshooting. I don't have the required buttons for it. It must have a different combination which I still have yet to figure out.

Anyway, the signals on the bridge, ain't those the same signals for cantilever or overhead installation(pair lights) on the national railroad? Seems like we can have some overhead signals around Central Station and on the M2 on the last road crossing to Monument.

The AHOBs with longer gates still needs counter weights...
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LosAngelesMetro56 wrote: 20 Jan 2018, 16:53 The AHOBs with longer gates still needs counter weights...
Actually those crossings are not called AHOBs, but ALOB 'Automatische Lange Overweg Boom' or for you english folks 'Automatic Long Crossing Barrier.
AHOBs stands for 'Automatische Halve Overweg Boom Station' or 'Automatic Half Crossing Barrier Station. These are for the small pedestrian crossings at stations to cross the track to another platform.

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Also, I don't like that M5 has ZUB cab signalling (I use thru trains on line M2/M4 during peak times for platform capacity)
But I like ZUB colourlight signals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

'Why don't we have both' (from a Taco ad) :lol: (ZUB signals and RET ATB), even if it's only at absolute signals, like LAmetro says he wants
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Trainboy199 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:20 Actually those crossings are not called AHOBs, but ALOB 'Automatische Lange Overweg Boom' or for you english folks 'Automatic Long Crossing Barrier.
Where did you get that information? I have never seen this term ALOB, and I also can't find it on Google, except in a small youtube video of a Coha.nl simulation of a crossing that would never be build in real life in NL, as it also closes off the exit of the crossing; https://youtu.be/G7EFpGpxJs4. The the comments below it, they claim Vialis made up that (ALOB) term. But I have never come across it in documentation about railroad crossings, and I have been involved in several crossings (also some that are yet to be build).

In fact; it will officially be called an AHOB, as long as it closes off only one direction of traffic; also if the barrier is long enough to close off two lanes at once (then those lanes will always both be for the same direction).
MattH wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:23 Also, I don't like that M5 has ZUB cab signalling (I use thru trains on line M2/M4 during peak times for platform capacity)
But I like ZUB colourlight signals ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

'Why don't we have both' (from a Taco ad) :lol: (ZUB signals and RET ATB), even if it's only at absolute signals, like LAmetro says he wants
That wouldn't really be usable with these block lengths; I could install ATB transmitters in the track, but if you are driving to a red signal, you would have to travel the entire distance at 10 km/h, until the signal clears. With ZUB, you can approach a red signal at 80 km/h, and start braking before the signal, to stop in front of it (the ZUB telegram you recieve at a yellow signal includes information about when the train must have slowed down, so you don't have to do that directly).
The current block system on line M5 is not suitable for ATB; I would have to rebuild the line in the CVL too, to add more signal blocks, as I have done on line M4; that line now has 3-4 times more blocks between Noorderpoort and the Rijndam Airport then when it had ZUB; just to prevent long distances at slow speeds.

On the museumline, I did install both. But only so the RSG2, which is now also a museumtrain (sadly; in reality they have all been scrapped), can run on that line. And adding ZUB to an ATB line is easier then the other way around).
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Sjoerd wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:50 But only so the RSG2, which is now also a museumtrain (sadly; in reality they have all been scrapped)
I thought only the 62, 63 and 67 were scrapped?
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luka23 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:54 I thought only the 62, 63 and 67 were scrapped?
Do you know where the others are? I know they have been send to a terrain in Groot-Ammers in 2010 for storage, and you can see them there on Google Maps aerial photo's: https://goo.gl/6dbHR3
But when you look at the same location with Streetview (https://goo.gl/maps/CcfjR9zhPaT2, dated 2016) they are not there anymore. Combine that with pictures of RSG2 trains being scrapped (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7325/1040 ... 2157_b.jpg)....
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Sjoerd wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:50
Trainboy199 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:20 Actually those crossings are not called AHOBs, but ALOB 'Automatische Lange Overweg Boom' or for you english folks 'Automatic Long Crossing Barrier.
Where did you get that information? I have never seen this term ALOB, and I also can't find it on Google, except in a small youtube video of a Coha.nl simulation of a crossing that would never be build in real life in NL, as it also closes off the exit of the crossing; https://youtu.be/G7EFpGpxJs4. The the comments below it, they claim Vialis made up that (ALOB) term. But I have never come across it in documentation about railroad crossings, and I have been involved in several crossings (also some that are yet to be build).

In fact; it will officially be called an AHOB, as long as it closes off only one direction of traffic; also if the barrier is long enough to close off two lanes at once (then those lanes will always both be for the same direction).
Ok, I thought that it was called ALOB wen the barrier was longer then one car lane. But I think I'm wrong then. :) But nearby my home there is a crossing witch has the barrier crossing the hole of the road or in this case a bikers path. https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.7846544, ... 6656?hl=nl and here is another example https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.5857833, ... 6656?hl=nl
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Sjoerd wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 12:03
luka23 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:54 I thought only the 62, 63 and 67 were scrapped?
Do you know where the others are? I know they have been send to a terrain in Groot-Ammers in 2010 for storage, and you can see them there on Google Maps aerial photo's: https://goo.gl/6dbHR3
But when you look at the same location with Streetview (https://goo.gl/maps/CcfjR9zhPaT2, dated 2016) they are not there anymore. Combine that with pictures of RSG2 trains being scrapped (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7325/1040 ... 2157_b.jpg)....
The one in the 'scrapping picture' is the 5262 (one of those Luka23 mentioned) that doesn't say anything about the others. And only this one was seen this way. The picture dates back to 2013. Remainder was disposed of in 2015. And I'm pretty sure nobody is going to tell where to...
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Trainboy199 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 12:30

Ok, I thought that it was called ALOB wen the barrier was longer then one car lane. But I think I'm wrong then. :) But nearby my home there is a crossing witch has the barrier crossing the hole of the road or in this case a bikers path. https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.7846544, ... 6656?hl=nl and here is another example https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.5857833, ... 6656?hl=nl
That's actually a AOB. Anyways, back to the topic please.
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Sjoerd wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 12:03
luka23 wrote: 21 Jan 2018, 11:54 I thought only the 62, 63 and 67 were scrapped?
Do you know where the others are? I know they have been send to a terrain in Groot-Ammers in 2010 for storage, and you can see them there on Google Maps aerial photo's: https://goo.gl/6dbHR3
But when you look at the same location with Streetview (https://goo.gl/maps/CcfjR9zhPaT2, dated 2016) they are not there anymore. Combine that with pictures of RSG2 trains being scrapped (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7325/1040 ... 2157_b.jpg)....
I think they went to Halberstadt, to VIR (or whatever that company was called). But back to topic :lol:
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